Apologetics Resource

The Catholic Defense
of Purgatory

Positive case, historical witness, and a masterful objection framework. Every Protestant challenge anticipated, countered, and resolved.

Compiled by Derek Rodriguez, a faithful Roman Catholic
A Martyr Academy resource

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Understanding Purgatory
Core definitions, the 3-pillar summary, and how to use this document

Purgatory is the state of final purification after death for those who die in God's grace and friendship but are not yet fully cleansed of the effects of sin. It is not a "second chance" at salvation. Every soul in purgatory is already saved and destined for heaven.

CCC 1030: "All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven."

The word comes from the Latin purgare, meaning "to purge" or "to cleanse." The doctrine has only three essential components:

  • A purification after death exists for some of the saved
  • It involves some form of suffering or discomfort
  • The prayers and offerings of the living can assist those undergoing this purification

Everything else (whether purgatory is a "place," how long it takes, the nature of the fire) is theological speculation, not defined dogma.

Sources: Catechism of the Catholic Church §1030-1032 · Council of Trent, Session XXV (1563) · Council of Florence, Decree for the Greeks (1439)

Pillar A: Nothing unclean enters heaven. Scripture is clear: "Nothing unclean shall enter it" (Rev. 21:27). God is "of purer eyes than to behold evil" (Hab. 1:13). Jesus commands "be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect" (Matt. 5:48). If we die in grace but with remaining imperfections, something must happen between death and glory. That something is purgatory.

Pillar B: Christ's sacrifice saves us, AND sanctification is a real process. Catholics and Protestants agree we are saved by grace through Christ. But sanctification is not instantaneous in this life. If incomplete at death, it must be completed before entry into heaven. The Catholic simply names this final completion: purgatory.

Pillar C: The universal Church has always prayed for the dead. Jews before Christ prayed for the dead (2 Macc. 12:42-46). The earliest Christians prayed for the dead in the liturgy. The Eastern Orthodox pray for the dead. If the dead go immediately to heaven or hell, prayers for the dead are nonsensical. The universal practice only makes sense if there is a state where such prayers can help.

This is the core syllogism you can deploy in any conversation:

  • Nothing impure can enter heaven (Rev. 21:27; Hab. 1:13)
  • We are commanded to be perfect (Matt. 5:48), yet most Christians die with remaining imperfections
  • Therefore, there must be a final purification for those saved but imperfectly sanctified at death
  • This final purification is what Catholics call purgatory

The Protestant must either: (a) deny that anything impure cannot enter heaven, (b) claim all Christians are perfectly sanctified at death, or (c) accept some form of final purification, which is purgatory by another name.

Many Protestants, when pressed, admit that something must happen at death to complete sanctification. They just refuse to call it purgatory. But if you believe in a post-mortem completion of sanctification, even an instantaneous one, you believe in the essence of purgatory.

  • NOT a "second chance" at salvation. Everyone in purgatory is already saved.
  • NOT a denial of Christ's sufficiency. Christ's sacrifice is what makes purgatory possible.
  • NOT "earning" your way to heaven. No merit is possible after death. Purgatory is God's grace at work.
  • NOT necessarily a "place." The Church has never defined purgatory as a geographic location.
  • NOT necessarily prolonged. For some, it may be instantaneous.
  • NOT the same as hell. Those in purgatory have the certainty of heaven.
  • NOT a medieval invention. The concept predates Christianity itself.
Part I
The Positive Case for Purgatory
Scripture, Tradition, and reason proving purgatory exists

Judas Maccabeus discovered fallen soldiers wearing pagan amulets. He took up a collection and sent it to Jerusalem for a sin offering on behalf of the dead, because he believed in the resurrection. The text states he "made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."

Why this matters: If the dead go immediately to heaven or hell, praying and offering sacrifice for them is pointless. The fact that God's people practiced atonement for the dead centuries before Christ shows belief in a state where such assistance could help.

Anticipated objection: "Maccabees isn't in the Protestant Bible." Even rejecting its inspired status, it remains a historical document showing what Jews believed. Orthodox Jews to this day pray the Mourner's Kaddish for eleven months after a loved one's death. The Deuterocanonical books were in the Septuagint used by the Apostles and accepted by the Church for over 1,500 years before the Reformers removed them.

Sources: 2 Maccabees 12:42-46 (RSV-CE) · Catholic Answers, "The Roots of Purgatory" · Catholic Encyclopedia, "Purgatory" (newadvent.org)

After David's sin, Nathan tells him: "The LORD has put away your sin; you shall not die. Nevertheless... the child that is born to you shall die." David is forgiven (guilt removed), but temporal consequences remain.

Why this matters: This distinction between forgiveness of guilt and remission of temporal punishment is foundational to purgatory. In purgatory, guilt has been forgiven through Christ, but temporal consequences remain to be satisfied.

"The souls of the righteous are in the hand of God... Having been disciplined a little, they will receive great good, because God tested them and found them worthy of himself; like gold in the furnace he tried them."

Why this matters: The righteous dead undergo testing and purification, being tried like gold in fire, before receiving their reward. This is a purgatorial image in the OT itself.

Psalm 66:12: "We went through fire and through water; yet you have brought us out to a place of abundance." Purification through fire leading to blessing.

Zechariah 13:9: "I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver." God uses purifying fire on His people, not to destroy but to refine.

Malachi 3:2-3: "He is like a refiner's fire... he will purify the sons of Levi." The messianic prophecy describes purification through fire applied to the faithful, not the wicked.

"If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire."

Why this is the strongest NT text for purgatory: The person builds on Christ's foundation (a believer). Their works are tested by fire after death ("the Day" = judgment). Some works are burned up. The person "suffers loss." Yet "he himself will be saved," so this is not hell. He is saved "but only as through fire," indicating purification, not destruction.

This cannot be heaven (imperfections being burned away). Cannot be hell (souls are saved). It is a state where a saved person's imperfections are purged through fire. That is purgatory by definition.

Sources: 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 (RSV-CE) · Tim Staples, "Is Purgatory in the Bible?" (Catholic Answers Magazine) · Fr. John Hardon, "The Doctrine of Purgatory" (Catholic Culture)

"Whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." By specifying that this sin won't be forgiven "in the age to come," Jesus implies that some sins can be forgiven after death. If no sins could be forgiven after death, the qualification would be unnecessary.

"You will never get out till you have paid the last penny." Jesus describes a temporary imprisonment from which one is released after paying what is owed. This fits purgatory: a temporary state of paying temporal debt. This cannot be hell (which is eternal) and the eschatological context suggests more than earthly disputes.

Rev. 21:27: "Nothing unclean shall enter it." Heaven has zero tolerance for impurity.

Heb. 12:14: "Strive for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord." Not imputed holiness only, but actual holiness, the real transformation of the person.

Combined with the reality that most believers die with remaining imperfections, purgatory is the logical and scriptural conclusion.

Hebrews 12:23: "The spirits of just men made perfect." The Greek teteleiōmenōn implies a perfecting process that has been completed. They were just and were made perfect.

2 Timothy 1:16-18: Paul prays for mercy for the likely-dead Onesiphorus "on that Day." If Onesiphorus went to heaven, he needs no mercy. If hell, prayer is useless. Paul's prayer only makes sense if there is a state where mercy can benefit the dead.

1 Peter 3:18-20: Christ "preached to the spirits in prison," describing a state after death that is neither heaven nor hell, supporting an intermediate state.

This is the most powerful argument for non-denominational Protestants because it requires no appeal to Tradition or the Deuterocanon.

Step 1: Protestants believe in progressive sanctification, meaning believers become holier over time but never complete the process in this life.

Step 2: Protestants believe that in heaven, there will be no sin, and we will be perfectly holy.

Step 3: Between the imperfect sanctification of death and the perfect holiness of heaven, something must happen to complete the process.

Step 4: Common Protestant answers include: "God just does it instantly at death," which concedes the essence of purgatory, just insisting it's instantaneous. Or: "Christ's blood covers our remaining sin," which confuses justification with sanctification.

Step 5: Whatever name you give to this final transformation, Catholics call it purgatory. The question is not whether it happens, but only about its nature and duration.

Sources: Jimmy Akin, "How to Explain Purgatory to Protestants" (EWTN) · Joe Heschmeyer, "Is Purgatory Biblical?" (Catholic Answers/Shameless Popery) · N.T. Wright on post-mortem transformation

Scripture consistently teaches that God can forgive the guilt of sin while still requiring temporal consequences:

  • David (2 Sam. 12:13-14): Forgiven, but his child still dies
  • Moses (Num. 20:12): Forgiven and saved, but cannot enter the Promised Land
  • The Israelites (Num. 14:20-23): Pardoned, but the generation still cannot enter Canaan

If God maintains temporal consequences for forgiven sin in this life, why assume He abandons this principle at death? Purgatory is where remaining temporal consequences of forgiven sin are satisfied.

The analogy: If you crash into someone's car, they may forgive you (guilt removed), but you still owe for the damages (temporal consequence). Purgatory is paying the remaining damages after guilt has been forgiven.

Part II
Prominent Believers
Jews, Fathers, saints, and non-Catholics who affirmed purgatory
Judas Maccabeus
d. 161 BC
Made atonement and offered prayers for fallen soldiers (2 Macc. 12:42-46)
Orthodox Judaism (to this day)
Ongoing
Recites the Mourner's Kaddish for eleven months after death for the loved one's purification
Tertullian
c. AD 155–220
"We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries" (The Crown 3:3)
St. Clement of Alexandria
c. AD 150–215
Described post-mortem purification: the believer "is tortured then still more, not yet attaining what he sees others to have acquired"
St. Cyril of Jerusalem
c. AD 313–386
Taught that the Eucharistic sacrifice benefits those who have "fallen asleep" and brings "very great benefit to the souls" of the departed
St. John Chrysostom
c. AD 349–407
"Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them"
St. Ambrose of Milan
c. AD 340–397
Taught that lighter faults are "condemned to fire which burns away the lighter materials, and prepares the soul for the kingdom of God"
St. Augustine of Hippo
c. AD 354–430
Explicitly used the term ignis purgatorius (purgatorial fire). "Some believers shall pass through a kind of purgatorial fire"
St. Gregory of Nyssa
c. AD 335–395
"He is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by purifying fire"
St. Gregory the Great
c. AD 540–604
Affirmed that "a purgatorial fire" exists for certain lesser faults before the Final Judgment

Sources: William Jurgens, Faith of the Early Fathers (Vols. I-III) · Catholic Answers, "The Roots of Purgatory" · Catholic Fidelity, "The Early Church Fathers on Purgatory" · Erick Ybarra, "Church Fathers on Purgatory" · New Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 11, pp. 1035-36

Martin Luther
1483–1546
In his 95 Theses (1517), affirmed purgatory. In 1521: "The existence of a purgatory I have never denied. I still hold that it exists." Only later rejected it.
C.S. Lewis
1898–1963
"Our souls demand purgatory, don't they? Would it not break the heart if God said to us, 'Enter into the joy'? Should we not reply, 'I'd rather be cleaned first.'"
N.T. Wright
b. 1948
Prominent Anglican scholar. Acknowledges that impure Christians must be made pure before heaven, a question the Reformation never adequately answered.
Jerry Walls
b. 1955
Methodist philosopher who argues for purgatory in "Purgatory: The Logic of Total Transformation," a doctrine Protestants should reclaim.
Eastern Orthodox Churches
Ongoing
While not using the term "purgatory," the Orthodox have always prayed for the dead and affirm a post-mortem purification.

Sources: Luther, Ninety-Five Theses (1517) · Luther, Defense and Explanation of All the Articles (1521) · C.S. Lewis, Letters to Malcolm: Chiefly on Prayer · Jerry Walls, Purgatory: The Logic of Total Transformation · Catholic Answers, "Purgatory in the Protestant Traditions" · Confession of Dositheus (1672)

Part III
Master Objection Index
8 families of objections → fully debunked at every level
Their Claim

"Purgatory is not mentioned anywhere in Scripture. If it were real, God would have explicitly named it."

Hidden Goal

An argument from silence designed to shift the burden of proof while applying a standard that would destroy doctrines the objector themselves holds.

Core Counter

The words "Trinity," "Incarnation," "omniscience," "Bible," "sola scriptura," and "rapture" are also not in the Bible, yet Protestants believe in all of them. The absence of a term does not mean the absence of the concept. As demonstrated in Part I, the concept is found throughout both Testaments.

Furthermore, "sola scriptura," the doctrine that Scripture is the sole rule of faith, is itself not found in Scripture, making the doctrine self-refuting by the very standard this objection applies.

Your Reply

The Trinity is deduced from multiple passages that together reveal a truth not explicitly stated in any single verse. Purgatory is deduced in exactly the same way: from purifying fire (1 Cor. 3:15), forgiveness in the age to come (Matt. 12:32), the prison until the last penny (Matt. 5:25-26), nothing unclean entering heaven (Rev. 21:27), and prayers for the dead. The method of theological deduction is identical.

Your Reply

Every doctrinal deduction involves interpretation. Early Arian heretics said the same about the Trinity. Given that Jews, earliest Christians, Church Fathers, and even C.S. Lewis arrived at the same conclusion, the Catholic reading is at least as well-supported as the Trinitarian deduction.

Your Reply

Catholics agree Scripture is materially sufficient. But Scripture itself says not everything is contained in writing (John 21:25). 2 Thessalonians 2:15 commands holding to traditions "whether by word of mouth or by letter." Sola scriptura is itself an extra-biblical tradition of the Reformation.

Your Reply

Jesus never clearly taught the canon of the NT, the doctrine of the Trinity, or the hypostatic union either, yet these are essential doctrines. He entrusted the fullness of His teaching to the Church (Matt. 16:18-19; 1 Tim. 3:15, "the Church, the pillar and bulwark of the truth"). Moreover, Jesus did teach concepts consistent with purgatory: Matt. 12:32, Matt. 5:25-26, Matt. 5:48.

Core Counter

Catholics fully affirm Christ's sacrifice is the sole basis of salvation. Purgatory does not "add" to Christ's work. It is the application of Christ's work. Protestants believe Christians must undergo progressive sanctification involving suffering and growth (Heb. 12:5-11). Nobody says this "adds to" Christ's sacrifice. Purgatory is simply the completion of this same process after death.

By this logic, any post-conversion suffering or sanctification would "undermine the gospel." If a Christian suffers illness as a consequence of past sin, does that mean Christ's sacrifice was insufficient?

Sources: Hebrews 12:5-11, 7:27 · Ephesians 2:8-10 · John 19:30 · CCC §1030-1032 · Joe Heschmeyer, "Answering Protestant Objections to Purgatory" (Catholic Answers) · Catholic Culture, "How to Argue the Existence of Purgatory"

Your Reply

The verse says He has perfected "those who are being sanctified" (Greek: hagiazomenous, present passive participle, indicating an ongoing action). Even within this verse, Christ's perfect offering coexists with an ongoing sanctification process. Purgatory is the final stage of that reception.

Your Reply

On what biblical basis do you limit God's sanctifying work to this life? You must either claim God instantaneously completes sanctification at death (functionally purgatory in an instant) or claim we enter heaven still unsanctified (contradicts Rev. 21:27). Either way, purgatory's essential truth is conceded.

Your Reply

Catholics agree completely. But Eph. 2:10 says immediately after: "created in Christ Jesus for good works." Purgatory is NOT works righteousness. No merit is possible after death. The soul does nothing to "earn" heaven. Purgatory is entirely God's gracious work of purification.

Your Reply

Tetelestai refers to Christ's redemptive work: the price is paid. It does not mean every consequence is instantaneously applied to every individual. By this logic, "it is finished" should also mean no one needs to repent, be baptized, or grow in holiness after the cross, yet Protestants affirm all of these.

Core Counter

This is a misquotation. Paul does NOT say "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." The actual text (2 Cor. 5:8) is: "We would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord." This is a statement of preference, not a claim of automatic equivalence.

There is a vast difference between "I would rather be in Arizona than Michigan" and "To leave Michigan is to be in Arizona." Furthermore, purgatory is not "away from the Lord." It is Christ's purifying love that cleanses. And purgatory may be instantaneous.

Sources: 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 (RSV-CE) · Jimmy Akin, "How to Explain Purgatory to Protestants" · Steve Ray, "Absent from the Body" (catholicconvert.com) · National Catholic Register, Jimmy Akin · Catholic Exchange, David Utsler

Your Reply

Paul also wrote 1 Cor. 3:15, saved "but only as through fire." Same apostle, same region. Paul teaches both the hope of being with Christ and the reality of purifying fire. These are not contradictory if purgatory is understood as purification within Christ's presence, potentially instantaneous.

Your Reply

I'm not complicating it; I'm reading it accurately. The common Protestant quotation literally does not exist in Scripture. It is a theological paraphrase repeated so often that people think it's a Bible verse.

Core Counter

(1) Not everyone goes to purgatory. The Church teaches some go directly to heaven (CCC 1022). The thief bypassing purgatory doesn't prove it doesn't exist, any more than one person surviving without a doctor proves hospitals don't exist.

(2) He may have done his purgatory on the cross. As Augustine taught, purgation can happen in this life through suffering. The thief was dying by crucifixion while publicly confessing Christ. If anyone "did their purgatory on earth," it was him.

(3) "Today" may not mean what you think. No punctuation in the original Greek. It could read: "Truly, I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise." Also, Jesus didn't go to heaven on Good Friday. He descended to the dead (1 Pet. 3:18-20, the Apostles' Creed). If Jesus wasn't in heaven on Good Friday, how could the thief be "with Him" there?

(4) Purgatory may be instantaneous. The Church has never defined its duration. The thief could have experienced purification in a moment.

Sources: Luke 23:39-43 · 1 Peter 3:18-20 · CCC §1022 · Karlo Broussard, "The Good Thief Isn't Good for Protestant Doctrines" (Catholic Answers Magazine) · Joe Heschmeyer, "Is Purgatory Biblical?" (Catholic Answers) · Benedict XVI, Spe Salvi §47

Your Reply

Even granting your reading, it proves only that one person bypassed purgatory, not that purgatory doesn't exist. Unless you want to argue "One person didn't go to hell, therefore hell doesn't exist," the logic doesn't work.

Your Reply

The thief exercised extraordinary faith and works: public confession, defense of Jesus before mockers, acceptance of just punishment, and a request for mercy. He did more in his last hours than many do in a lifetime. And he lived under the Old Covenant, before the sacramental economy. Exceptional cases do not overturn general principles.

Core Counter

Historically false on every count. Pre-Christian Jews prayed for the dead. Tertullian (AD 211), Clement of Alexandria (AD 150–215), Augustine (AD 354–430) all write about post-mortem purification. Augustine explicitly uses the term ignis purgatorius. The earliest liturgies contain prayers for the dead. What happened in the Middle Ages was the systematic definition, not the invention, just as Nicaea (AD 325) defined the Trinity long after Christians believed in it.

On indulgences: the Church never "sold" them. Abuses occurred and the Church condemned them (Council of Trent). Abuse of a practice does not invalidate the doctrine.

Sources: Tertullian, The Crown 3:3 (c. AD 211) · Augustine, Enchiridion 69 · Augustine, City of God 21:13 · Council of Trent, Session XXV · Jacques Le Goff, The Birth of Purgatory (criticized by multiple scholars) · Catholic Answers, "The Roots of Purgatory"

Your Reply

The Fathers were also inconsistent on the Trinity and Christology, yet we don't reject those doctrines. The practice of praying for the dead was universal from the beginning. The explanation developed over time, just as Trinitarian language did.

Your Reply

Le Goff showed the noun "purgatorium" emerged in the 12th century. The concept and practice existed from the earliest centuries, as even Le Goff acknowledges. The naming of a doctrine is not its invention. The term "Trinity" didn't exist until the late 2nd century either.

Your Reply

Why pray for the dead if they're either in heaven (prayer unnecessary) or hell (prayer useless)? The universal practice only makes rational sense if there is a state where prayers can actually help. The practice implies the doctrine.

Core Counter

Entirely compatible with purgatory. Catholics agree each person dies once and faces judgment. But the verse says nothing about what happens during or as part of that judgment. If the judgment reveals a saved-but-impure person, purgatory is part of the judgment process, not something tacked on after it.

"After the trial comes the verdict" doesn't mean the verdict is always instant acquittal. The verse affirms death, then judgment. It does not affirm death, then immediate heaven or hell-with-nothing-in-between.

Core Counter

The passage explicitly refers to "the Day" that will "disclose" each man's work, language consistently used for the Day of Judgment. The text says "he will suffer loss" and "he himself will be saved, but only as through fire." The person suffers. Not just the works. The Greek autos makes the subject the person, not the works.

This cannot be heaven (imperfections burned away). Cannot be hell (person is saved). A saved person passes through purifying fire. That is purgatory.

Your Reply

Catholics don't claim purgatory is separate from judgment. It is part of God's judgment for the saved, and the name matters less than the reality described.

Your Reply

Of course, and Catholics agree. The "fire" of purgatory may be metaphorical too. The Church has never dogmatically defined it as literal flames. The point is the reality of the purification, not the nature of the fire.

Core Counter

Purgatory is emphatically NOT a second chance. Only those who die in a state of grace go there. Mortal sin without repentance sends to hell. There is no conversion in purgatory, and it actually adds urgency: the more you grow in holiness now, the less purification needed later. The suffering of purgatory is described by saints as more intense than any earthly suffering. No rational person would choose to endure it by living carelessly.

If anything, denying purgatory removes urgency, because without it, someone who lived a mediocre spiritual life enters heaven in the exact same condition as a great saint.

Your Reply

That is presumption, a sin against the Holy Spirit in Catholic teaching. Poor catechesis doesn't invalidate the doctrine. Many Protestants misuse "once saved, always saved" to justify sin too, and that doesn't invalidate perseverance. Bad practice by adherents doesn't invalidate sound doctrine.

Your Reply

If a king invites a beggar to a royal banquet, the banquet is a free gift. But the beggar would still want to wash his hands before sitting at the king's table, not because the invitation wasn't free, but because he respects the king's house. Purgatory is the washing of hands before the eternal banquet.

Additional Quick-Reference Objections
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Catholics agree completely. Christ's blood cleanses us from all sin, and purgatory is the mechanism by which that cleansing is applied. Distinguish between the guilt of sin (fully removed at justification) and the temporal consequences/attachments (which require sanctification). A recovering alcoholic may be forgiven yet still struggle with the effects of addiction.

Counter

God can purify instantly. He is omnipotent. The question is whether He always does. God can heal instantaneously, but many Christians endure illness. Purgatory exists for cases where He doesn't choose the instantaneous route. Relying on "God could just do it instantly" is the sin of presumption.

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Exactly right, and purgatory is not condemnation. It is the opposite. Purgatory is for those who are NOT condemned, who are saved and destined for heaven. It is purification, not punishment in the damning sense.

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Catholics affirm all trespasses are forgiven through Christ. But forgiveness of guilt does not automatically eliminate all consequences. David was forgiven but his child died. Moses was forgiven but couldn't enter the Promised Land. Purgatory addresses the effects of sin on the soul, not because Christ's forgiveness was incomplete, but because those effects must be healed.

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2 Maccabees 12:42-46 explicitly records prayers for the dead. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus (2 Tim. 1:16-18). Every ancient liturgy includes prayers for the departed. If prayers for the dead are useless, the entire Christian tradition from the Apostles onward was wrong, and the Holy Spirit failed to guide the Church for 1,500 years.

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Historically false. Luther affirmed purgatory in his 95 Theses (1517) and again in 1521. The Anglican tradition retained prayers for the dead. C.S. Lewis explicitly affirmed purgatory. Jerry Walls argues Protestants should reclaim it. The rejection was not unanimous, not immediate, and largely a reaction against indulgence abuses, which the Catholic Church itself condemned.

The One Lock Question
"Do you believe that most Christians are perfectly holy at the moment of death, that every attachment to sin and every imperfection is completely gone the instant they die?"

If they say yes, ask them on what basis. Their own experience suggests otherwise.

If they say no, ask: "What happens between that imperfect death and the perfect heaven where nothing unclean can enter?"

Whatever they answer ("God just fixes it," "Christ's blood covers it," "it happens in an instant"), they have conceded the essence of purgatory. They are now debating the details, not the existence.

That is purgatory.